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Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 836	Posted - 2014.01.08 11:14:00 - [1] - Quote Malcanis wrote: This. Is a god damb Amazing Idea. Did i just witness CSM Malcanis liking or even agreeing to an Idea of Dinsdale Pirannha? But yeah, I like that Idea, could be quite cool. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 836	Posted - 2014.01.09 10:23:00 - [2] - Quote I actually do not see a problem with cloaking in those sites. Every non cloaky exlorer could use his MWD to zip around an find his sites, while the fastest cloaked covops frigate (the cheetah) can reach only speeds of roughly 400 - 500 m/s with activated cloak. So it either has to slowboat around and hope to find something, or it's zipping around, too but very visibile to everyone else. Bombers are a lot slower, and everything else with an activated cloak is even slower. And lets not forgett, the main reason why lots of people do not like cloaks is the possibility of a cyno gang just waiting to jump the unsuspecting victim and if I got the concept right that possibility should not exist with the Dinsdale Phenomenon cloud. Also, if it were possible to populate that kind of space, especially the places were the nuggets and exitement would be found, with all sorts of rock clutter collidable structures etc. in a way that a cloaked ship would have to plot a far more complicated course to it's target (just to stay cloaked) than a non cloaked ship, that might further increase the game play experience for everyone rather than jus flat out deny certain ships or ship configurations access to that sites. I hope I wrote all that in a remotely understandable way, cheers. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 837	Posted - 2014.01.09 15:00:00 - [3] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: But probably the devs handlign server performance might not like it. The general concept it good. PRoblem is how ccp can implement it without costign too much to be worth doing. Lets not spoil visions of awesome and win with petty concerns about performance. Where there's a will, there's a way. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 843	Posted - 2014.01.10 11:40:00 - [4] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Cloaks should still work, but an 'unknown' response should flicker in and out of the overview when in the same grid.. Imagine the paranoia that would induce :] The more I think about that the more I like it. ^^ Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 849	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:45:00 - [5] - Quote STush T wrote: "Training ground for newbies in hi sec", potentially a pretty brutal training ground. Maybe have static ones in the starter systems that are milder, maybe a simple mechanic of no locking ships and no bombs. Correctly if im wrong but that would make it safe from pvp while still keeping it a learning ground of the cloud mechanics. Then outside of starter systems, the clouds would be the normal lost lawless space. But... why would training grounds for newbs be safe from pvp? Wouldn't that be the opposite of training? EDIT: Oh wait, You were talking about starter systems only... I still don't get it tbh. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 861	Posted - 2014.01.20 13:46:00 - [6] - Quote M1k3y Koontz wrote: I do have a few concerns though. Without the ability to warp out of the gas cloud any kind of mining would be severely limited. Unless miners set up hoards of Depots and stashed their minerals in those until the site despawned (not very practical given the volume of ore) there would be no way of hauling minerals out, as mining barges and Orcas are notoriously slow. Hidden mineral depots, with an energy reservoir that lasts no longer than 12 hours after the Dinsdale Phenomenon Cloud has dissolved into the mysterious nothingness from which it came, after that everyone can scan it down and steal your precious hard earned mineral treasures. Well that or ventures. Really, I can only think of something like the venture when someone talks about mining in such a hazzardous location. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 886	Posted - 2014.01.27 14:21:00 - [7] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Example: I asked on one of the other forums about if the standard grid size can be altered by CCP from system to system. Naturally, the trolls, and eventually, the ISD derailed the thread, without me getting an answer. The reason I asked is because I think the standard grid size we have today is too large for something like this. If the grid in the cloud case extended only 100 km from your ship, or any object you dropped in space, a this point I think it would be a good starting point. If someone can see say, 400 km in any direction (I have seen stations 400 km from my ships), then it gets way too easy to find stuff, and to also see trouble coming, or to find prey. But can CCP code a special size grid inside the cloud while have the traditional size grid outside of the cloud, I have no idea. I wouldn't try to change the grid size itself. How about the distance of items shown on the overview was linked directly to sensor strength? That way both, the big slow battleships with high sensor strength and the very fast frigattes with very low sensor strength could have a place in exploring that D-Cloud. For Example, once on site, battleships could even be used as some kind of early warning system, while smaller ships clean out the site your gang just found... or something liek that. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 917	Posted - 2014.02.06 12:23:00 - [8] - Quote Actually I just thought that concept could be expanded to planetary rings. Those things already are huge, thousands of km wide, not quite as deep but still enough. You could fly to a planetary ring, with your mining barge fly around at the fringes and well, mine stuff and if you really want to be the brave explorer you could always "dive" into the ring, were the light of the local star can't quite reach you because of all the dust and debris and asteroids drifting around, were you can't warp out because of all the interference. That way getting into and out of the area would still be quite the piece of work but at the same you can discern a general direction for the fastest way out as the ring would not be as deep as it is wide. And (I really like that part) it wouldn't just vanish after a few days, you could actually stay in there, there could be small structures that a player would attach to an asteroid (of sufficient size), to further mask it's signature and create a little base of operations and if you want to bring your corp mates those could attach/anchor their own structures to asteroids nearby (yes I know, space city clich+¬)... For some reason that picture won't leave my head, you're there with your little manticore or even Astero exploring the ring, the light is all diffuse and yellowish because of all the dirt and dust in the area, you navigate around a particular large asteroid when suddenly you stumble about something that almost resembles a little capsuleer city, haulers slowboating around between all those little micro bases, micro production facilities are active, producing ammo, ships and whatnot else for the local market and you look around a little bit and notice their capsuleer made jumpgate as it flashes and a few cruisers and maybe even battleships arrive on grid, returning from some roam or some anomaly to repair and restock on ammo. The base had been well hidden, away from the main entry routes and the most ore ich areas, surrounded by enough sensor impairing debris and every structure attached to a bigger asteroid to mask its signature, you only found it by accident. Jackpot! Now it's only a matter of bringing your buddies, and enough of them, to get what you want from them. But they'll have guards (no not THE guard), it's a concorde free zone after all, no one to interfere, no one between you and them... Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 917	Posted - 2014.02.06 14:27:00 - [9] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Baby steps...simplicity first. But yeah, the possibilities based on the base concept are quite a few. Frankly, I always thought that asteroid belts should generate a ton of interference. They mess up our physical movement now. Messing up our electronics would be a natural extension. Yeah, actually what I described was more or less what I expected when I jumped to an asteroid belt for the very first time. I left quite disapointed. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 949	Posted - 2014.02.14 12:12:00 - [10] - Quote Bump for greatness, great justice and a lot of other great things! Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 958	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:09:00 - [11] - Quote Bump for great justice. Awesome ideas need awesome discussions. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 979	Posted - 2014.04.22 09:00:00 - [12] - Quote bump Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 981	Posted - 2014.04.23 06:22:00 - [13] - Quote Phaade wrote: It frightens me that none of you have thought of this yet............. I chose to believe that Dinsdale was the first to dare to put this idea on the forums. And quite honestly, it's good that he did it, if his OP had been written badly that idea might just have been trolled to death and burried under mountains of flames. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 985	Posted - 2014.04.23 12:59:00 - [14] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Go for maximum effect though, make them watch a montage of the sob-story acts... I think we might be crossing a line there... Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1013	Posted - 2014.05.08 10:27:00 - [15] - Quote Shivanthar wrote: For the "15-20km/s Dramiels, Daredevils and soon Succubus" part, consider that mwd is not functioning within this void ;) Why would it not? did I miss something? Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1014	Posted - 2014.05.08 12:45:00 - [16] - Quote lol, I want 25km/s Dramiels scout the Dinsdale Phenomenon, I want fleets of Battleships slowboating behind them to secure a perimeter at the sites they found so their partners can loot teh hell out of them, I want hidden pirate and capsuleer bases (or pirate capsuleer) bases inside the phenomenon, ultra rich ore veins deep inside or worthless junk guarded by Sleeper drones, want them to be fleeting as just a big gas cloud on a random spot in a star system and permanent like a Ring around a planet. I want to enter the staging area and have it look like in the Odysee trailer, areas were random elemental damage occurs or those that are silent as the eye of a huge cosmic storm... hidden currents that deter your ship from it's set course debris fields that only the smallest ships can pass or those with the toughest armor. Oh man, Everytime I just think aout the possibilities I get excited like a little child just before christmas. ^_^ Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1198	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:44:00 - [17] - Quote I still liek that thread, mainly because... WHO WOULD LIKE THAT! That Idea is friggin awesome! That is what i thought it wouold be to warp to an asteroid belt or to some gas giants rings or even exploration sites, that is what I wanted from the very beginning! Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1198	Posted - 2014.08.04 12:39:00 - [18] - Quote Fer'isam K'ahn wrote: Debora Tsung wrote: I still lik+¬ that thread, mainly because... WHO WOULDN'T LIKE THAT! That Idea is friggin awesome! That is what i thought it wouold be to warp to an asteroid belt or to some gas giants rings or even exploration sites, that is what I wanted from the very beginning! If you are referring to me ... I was just dismissing the logic of the assumption, not the thread. I actually support one of the more defined offspring threads of this where Planets mass and radiation shadows create hard to scan areas that technically can make certain things unprobeable and distort d-scan to just a mass and lacking further specification. Heh, I wasn't referring to you directly, no. I just felt like I had to state my continued support for that Idea. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1291	Posted - 2014.09.03 16:39:00 - [19] - Quote Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: I would still love to see this eventually! Imagine- warping to the edge of a dark, clouded abyss in space- you go in and you can't tell up from down, left from right. You travel around for hours, and you happen to come upon a strange-looking ancient outpost, giving off a very abnormal energy signature... Dangit, everytime someone ressurrects this thread I can't help but think how awesome this would be... For two friggin'g days and then I get all sad because I fear it'll never happen. -.- Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1319	Posted - 2014.09.03 16:39:10 - [20] - Quote Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: I would still love to see this eventually! Imagine- warping to the edge of a dark, clouded abyss in space- you go in and you can't tell up from down, left from right. You travel around for hours, and you happen to come upon a strange-looking ancient outpost, giving off a very abnormal energy signature... Dangit, everytime someone ressurrects this thread I can't help but think how awesome this would be... For two friggin'g days and then I get all sad because I fear it'll never happen. -.- Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.

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